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#187680 - 02/20/03 10:59 PM Do those cable "fish tailers" work?
elkrun Offline
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Registered: 01/15/01
Posts: 759
Loc: Port Angeles, WA
Bob's chat topic got me thinking about what I could do to make life easier on those wild silvers out in the salt. I mainly fly fish for them and often they come to the side of the boat rolling, thrashing, and smacking into the side of the boat (man, thinking about that is making me tingle all over,...I digress...) It isn't always as easy just reaching over the side and removing the fly. Do those tailers work well? Do they harm the fish? Would it be good for getting a big hooknose under a little control before removing the fly, while still leaving it in the water? Or maybe one of those catch and release nets to hold the fish, STILL IN THE WATER, would be better. Opinions?

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#187681 - 02/20/03 11:25 PM Re: Do those cable "fish tailers" work?
spawnout Offline
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Registered: 01/21/02
Posts: 842
Loc: Satsop
Fish tailers are terrible - even picking up a fish by the tail and holding it unsupported injures them internally. A soft knotless nylon 3/8 inch mesh bag on your net is the best way to handle them in my experience - allows you to get them off the hook before they are exhausted. Leave the net in the water of course.

Had kind of a bad experience releasing a small wild coho that I had hooked on the front hook of a double hook herring rig last year. The fish wore itself out pretty good, and was just lip hooked, so I got out the pliers and grabbed the front hook while the fish was in the water. The fish of course whipped around, and buried the 4/0 trailing hook in the back of my hand. Then it proceeded to thrash around with the front hook still attached to me. Thank God for barbless hooks - had to unhook myself, let the fish run off, wrap a rag about my hand, reel the fish back in, net the fish, unhook it while I was bleeding all over the place and about ready to pass out - but I can't imagine what would have happened if I couldn't have backed the hook out - I had dropped the pliers in the water already and couldn't reach the knife on the deck to cut the line.

Now I net the fish - nothing like learning the hard way rolleyes
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#187682 - 02/20/03 11:33 PM Re: Do those cable "fish tailers" work?
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Registered: 02/11/03
Posts: 1381
Loc: Bainbridge Island WA
I would say go for the net because I have heard nothing but bad things about the tailers.
one thing you might try is what we use when we fish for atlantic salmon. It is a tool about 9 inches long with a handle on one end and a small "J" on the other. Its almost like a miniature gaff but not sharp. Just pull the line one way and run the hook of the J down the line until it comes into contact with the fly and you can jerk the fly out quickly. Much easier than fumbling for pliers or working on getting a tough hook out.
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#187683 - 02/20/03 11:54 PM Re: Do those cable "fish tailers" work?
Todd Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
D3Smartie,

I believe around here the saltchuck guys call those "release sticks". I think that they're essentially a couple of feet of dowel with an open screw eye on the end.

You put the eye over the leader, slide it down to the hook, and it slides right out. This works especially well since saltwater salmon fishing requires the use of barbless hooks.

I hadn't thought of using one in a river, I think I'll give it a shot next fall...

Fish on...

Todd.
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#187684 - 02/21/03 01:27 AM Re: Do those cable "fish tailers" work?
elkrun Offline
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Registered: 01/15/01
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Loc: Port Angeles, WA
I haven't had much luck with the release sticks. Half the time the fish get wrapped up in the line. This makes the release dowel worthless. I find myself hanging over the side of the boat holding the line, trying to back the hook out with the pliers. This destroys the fly. If I have to choose the fish or the fly, I'll ruin the fly. The fish lose a lot of scales during the time at the side of the boat. Maybe the soft, knotless net, left in the water is the way to go, but it wont make unwrapping them any easier. I was thinking of using a tailer just to stop the thrashing while keeping the fish in the water so I can untangle them and slide the hook out.

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#187685 - 02/21/03 02:29 AM Re: Do those cable "fish tailers" work?
Matt Offline
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Registered: 05/04/01
Posts: 98
Loc: Bellingham, Washington
like previously mentioned grabbing a fish by the tail section of its body is just simply not a good idea it does a great deal of damage to the fish. It may be a great natural handle, but you must avoid the temptation to latch onto it.

I would say just leave your net dipped in the water while tooling w/ the fish.

~MATT
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#187686 - 02/21/03 09:25 AM Re: Do those cable "fish tailers" work?
ParaLeaks Offline
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Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 10363
Loc: Olypen
Release sticks works great, but typically are designed backwards and require a second guy to operate. Instead of using a "J" configuration at the end of the dowel, try using a small "u" configuration...a quick, short "jab" when the stick bottoms on the bend of the hook pops off the fish. Don't use it for hooks buried deep in mouth, tho. My $.02

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#187687 - 02/21/03 01:50 PM Re: Do those cable "fish tailers" work?
starcraft tom Offline
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Registered: 06/04/02
Posts: 424
Loc: marysville
tailing rope work great for sturgen in the sacramento delta. thats the only place i have seen them used and would never use one for a salmon I was going to release. oh I have heard that they work good for halibut. fishy
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